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		<title>By: DancingRat</title>
		<link>http://andrewgirvan.com/liverpool-theatre-review-impropriety-at-the-kazimier/comment-page-1/#comment-43</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 21:42:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Andrew,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Thanks for your thoughts... sorry that we didn&#039;t get everything right but we are a new company and the event was a new thing for us and the Kaz to put on. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I did get in touch with you behind the scenes to see if you would put right some of the inaccuracies in your blog, which you agreed to do,  but as this seems to have slipped your mind I thought I&#039;d post here to ask you again.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Firstly, and most importantly for me having been a pupil of Keith Johnstone&#039;s, there was no part of the evening that used the Theater Sports Format or any other of the formats that he originated. Those formats are subject to copyright and Keith himself encourages people to invent their own rather than use his. The Prizefight format is our own invention and nothing to do with any other copyrighted material.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Yes there were not enough seats for the amount of people that were there but that is quite a normal thing for Improvisation and comedy in a pub club setting. There were some people who did have priority seating (so in fact not everyone payed the same price for there entry) and we had to make sure they were all served, after that it was always going to be a first come first served kind of affair and we always knew that this would be the case. Tickets guaranteed entry, not seating.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Dealing with &#039;Heckles From A Lively Scouse Audience&#039;. There was only one so called &#039;Heckler&#039; there as far as I was concerned, and in fact the lady in question was hugely drunk and was quite abusive to not only myself and the other performers but also to those of the audience around her. There are two ways to deal with that situation, to attack it or to ignore it. After the first few incidents I chose, on my feet, to not engage with her. Most of the audience who spoke to me afterwords praised my handling of a difficult situation but it may be that from your position you couldn&#039;t hear the content of her banter. This situation will not happen again as the lady in question has been blacklisted from further shows.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Heckling is not usual at Improv shows as usually the audience have an investment in seeing the thing that they have helped invent go right and it is a shock when that spirit isn&#039;t entered into.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Finally The Last Resort (Which I&#039;m glad you are looking forward to) will be our first Improvathon, the others you mentioned were organized by other improvisation groups and some of our performers were invited to take part. The Last Resort has a chance to be just as charmingly shambolic as the rest of our output.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Thanks very much for the right to reply, and thanks for coming to the event... Look forward to seeing you at another of our events.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Andrew,</p>
<p>Thanks for your thoughts&#8230; sorry that we didn&#39;t get everything right but we are a new company and the event was a new thing for us and the Kaz to put on. </p>
<p>I did get in touch with you behind the scenes to see if you would put right some of the inaccuracies in your blog, which you agreed to do,  but as this seems to have slipped your mind I thought I&#39;d post here to ask you again.</p>
<p>Firstly, and most importantly for me having been a pupil of Keith Johnstone&#39;s, there was no part of the evening that used the Theater Sports Format or any other of the formats that he originated. Those formats are subject to copyright and Keith himself encourages people to invent their own rather than use his. The Prizefight format is our own invention and nothing to do with any other copyrighted material.</p>
<p>Yes there were not enough seats for the amount of people that were there but that is quite a normal thing for Improvisation and comedy in a pub club setting. There were some people who did have priority seating (so in fact not everyone payed the same price for there entry) and we had to make sure they were all served, after that it was always going to be a first come first served kind of affair and we always knew that this would be the case. Tickets guaranteed entry, not seating.</p>
<p>Dealing with &#39;Heckles From A Lively Scouse Audience&#39;. There was only one so called &#39;Heckler&#39; there as far as I was concerned, and in fact the lady in question was hugely drunk and was quite abusive to not only myself and the other performers but also to those of the audience around her. There are two ways to deal with that situation, to attack it or to ignore it. After the first few incidents I chose, on my feet, to not engage with her. Most of the audience who spoke to me afterwords praised my handling of a difficult situation but it may be that from your position you couldn&#39;t hear the content of her banter. This situation will not happen again as the lady in question has been blacklisted from further shows.</p>
<p>Heckling is not usual at Improv shows as usually the audience have an investment in seeing the thing that they have helped invent go right and it is a shock when that spirit isn&#39;t entered into.</p>
<p>Finally The Last Resort (Which I&#39;m glad you are looking forward to) will be our first Improvathon, the others you mentioned were organized by other improvisation groups and some of our performers were invited to take part. The Last Resort has a chance to be just as charmingly shambolic as the rest of our output.</p>
<p>Thanks very much for the right to reply, and thanks for coming to the event&#8230; Look forward to seeing you at another of our events.</p>
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		<title>By: agirvan</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 20:32:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@colinwigan&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The event was certainly incredible value for money, and you make the point well. Contrasting the length of performance and the size of cast with comparable events at other theatres around the city the guys from Impropriety certainly did present an engaging event.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I agree with you that the Kazimier is indeed a fantastic venue. I have seen a number of events there and am always impressed with what groups are able to do with the space. &quot;Bohemian&quot; is probably the perfect word to use to describe the space and the atmosphere was indeed very friendly, I too knew a number of people in the audience and on the stage. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Maybe I&#039;m too traditional a theatre goer to expect a venue to seat all its audience members. It probably boils down to jealousy that I was not in the body of the kirk with my own table, but instead left perching against the back wall for the duration, the detachment from the action probably also detracted from the atmosphere you mention.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I too look forwards to seeing Impropriety again, particularly their long form improvathon, a style of event I have seen them pull of very well before.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Thanks a lot for taking the time to visit and read my blog. I&#039;m sorry we didn&#039;t see eye to eye on the event but I&#039;m glad you&#039;ve presented your personal opinion on the event in the comments and given an opposing view to my own. Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@colinwigan</p>
<p>The event was certainly incredible value for money, and you make the point well. Contrasting the length of performance and the size of cast with comparable events at other theatres around the city the guys from Impropriety certainly did present an engaging event.</p>
<p>I agree with you that the Kazimier is indeed a fantastic venue. I have seen a number of events there and am always impressed with what groups are able to do with the space. &#8220;Bohemian&#8221; is probably the perfect word to use to describe the space and the atmosphere was indeed very friendly, I too knew a number of people in the audience and on the stage. </p>
<p>Maybe I&#39;m too traditional a theatre goer to expect a venue to seat all its audience members. It probably boils down to jealousy that I was not in the body of the kirk with my own table, but instead left perching against the back wall for the duration, the detachment from the action probably also detracted from the atmosphere you mention.</p>
<p>I too look forwards to seeing Impropriety again, particularly their long form improvathon, a style of event I have seen them pull of very well before.</p>
<p>Thanks a lot for taking the time to visit and read my blog. I&#39;m sorry we didn&#39;t see eye to eye on the event but I&#39;m glad you&#39;ve presented your personal opinion on the event in the comments and given an opposing view to my own. Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: agirvan</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 20:31:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Impropriety_Fan &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I thought I did a fair job of reviewing the event, voicing my balanced opinion, highlighting both positive and negative points about the evening. It is true that I felt there were some negative points about the show but if I had set out write an entirely damning piece then I probably wouldn&#039;t have bothered posting it. There would have been nothing productive or constructive about it.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It&#039;s true that the person in the front row giving Ian abuse all evening was probably drunk however I felt he was distracted more than a professional performer who offers classes on improvisation should be in the situation. This was all that was meant by the comment and again, I feel that other parts of the review highlight the very positive parts of the performance.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;To expect me to take this review down, however, I think is naive. The world we now live in as one where each and every member of the audience has a voice and the ability to post their views to the masses. There are other ways I could have written this review, posting it all over the internet anonymously, and probably, with far less thought being put into what I was writing. It is very easy to write things anonymously on the internet, as you have found posting your comment in such a fashion. Every member of our audiences now have the ability to voice their opinions on our work, on Facebook, Twitter and on their blogs. That is all I have done with my personal opinions on the piece. I paid my entrance fee and therefore believe that I have the right to voice my opinions on the piece.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Thank you very much for taking the time to read my piece and especially for taking the time to comment. I, like you, can&#039;t wait to see what Impropriety as a group are able to produce. As I mention frequently in my piece above I have seen lots of fantastic work by those involved and look forwards to seeing the group develop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Impropriety_Fan </p>
<p>I thought I did a fair job of reviewing the event, voicing my balanced opinion, highlighting both positive and negative points about the evening. It is true that I felt there were some negative points about the show but if I had set out write an entirely damning piece then I probably wouldn&#39;t have bothered posting it. There would have been nothing productive or constructive about it.</p>
<p>It&#39;s true that the person in the front row giving Ian abuse all evening was probably drunk however I felt he was distracted more than a professional performer who offers classes on improvisation should be in the situation. This was all that was meant by the comment and again, I feel that other parts of the review highlight the very positive parts of the performance.</p>
<p>To expect me to take this review down, however, I think is naive. The world we now live in as one where each and every member of the audience has a voice and the ability to post their views to the masses. There are other ways I could have written this review, posting it all over the internet anonymously, and probably, with far less thought being put into what I was writing. It is very easy to write things anonymously on the internet, as you have found posting your comment in such a fashion. Every member of our audiences now have the ability to voice their opinions on our work, on Facebook, Twitter and on their blogs. That is all I have done with my personal opinions on the piece. I paid my entrance fee and therefore believe that I have the right to voice my opinions on the piece.</p>
<p>Thank you very much for taking the time to read my piece and especially for taking the time to comment. I, like you, can&#39;t wait to see what Impropriety as a group are able to produce. As I mention frequently in my piece above I have seen lots of fantastic work by those involved and look forwards to seeing the group develop.</p>
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		<title>By: colinwigan</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 17:22:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clearly the reviewer was not at the same event as everyone else. I also paid the same as you and was quite happy to be standing throughout the entire, excellent, performance.  The venue was ideal for the event - relaxed, a little &#039;bohemian&#039;, and lit to perfection.  It is not a formal theatre and so it will never be possible for 100% seating - if people want that then it&#039;ll take away from the whole event and increase costs. The atmosphere throughout was light, engaging and relaxed - enabling people to change places to improve vantage point, get a beer, have a smoke outside or whatever else took their fancy.  I took up a standing place near the front and it was a true delight to see the faces of the capacity 200+ audience in almost constant laughter (minus yourself, it seems) .  The Impropriety team were intelligent, witty, quick thinking - just plain outstanding.  The acts were, short, snappy and with masses of energy - just what were you watching?  The acts were only two-hours long, not 3 as you suggest - even at that it was the best value event I&#039;ve been to in a long time - not too long, not too short - just right!  I&#039;m looking forward to seeing them again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clearly the reviewer was not at the same event as everyone else. I also paid the same as you and was quite happy to be standing throughout the entire, excellent, performance.  The venue was ideal for the event &#8211; relaxed, a little &#39;bohemian&#39;, and lit to perfection.  It is not a formal theatre and so it will never be possible for 100% seating &#8211; if people want that then it&#39;ll take away from the whole event and increase costs. The atmosphere throughout was light, engaging and relaxed &#8211; enabling people to change places to improve vantage point, get a beer, have a smoke outside or whatever else took their fancy.  I took up a standing place near the front and it was a true delight to see the faces of the capacity 200+ audience in almost constant laughter (minus yourself, it seems) .  The Impropriety team were intelligent, witty, quick thinking &#8211; just plain outstanding.  The acts were, short, snappy and with masses of energy &#8211; just what were you watching?  The acts were only two-hours long, not 3 as you suggest &#8211; even at that it was the best value event I&#39;ve been to in a long time &#8211; not too long, not too short &#8211; just right!  I&#39;m looking forward to seeing them again.</p>
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		<title>By: Impropriety_Fan</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 15:16:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After going to see many Impropriety shows, I feel that this review is egregious, where you not watching the show i was? I find that even the good comments are snatched away, i think you have been very quick to jugde somthing that is growing fast, and doesnt need majorly personal veiws aired as a review to put it down the way you have. to quote &#039;&#039;not the marathon we were presented with.&#039;&#039;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&#039;&#039;Our host for the evening, Ian Hayles, did his best to get the audience in the mood, playing around with rounds of applause before bringing the massive cast on stage, but the heckles from the lively Scouse audience seemed to throw him off more than they should&#039;&#039; &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I personally thought he played very well! There was no mention of the raving drunk sat at the front trying to put everyone off? but i see you have been very picky to choose what you put in your review.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;For someone who so highly regards himself and is in his third year at university, I dont think personally you have the right to post a review on the internet when you didnt even tell the cast and crew your where reviewing them. My best advice for you is do us all a favour, and take it off?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After going to see many Impropriety shows, I feel that this review is egregious, where you not watching the show i was? I find that even the good comments are snatched away, i think you have been very quick to jugde somthing that is growing fast, and doesnt need majorly personal veiws aired as a review to put it down the way you have. to quote &#39;&#39;not the marathon we were presented with.&#39;&#39;</p>
<p>&#39;&#39;Our host for the evening, Ian Hayles, did his best to get the audience in the mood, playing around with rounds of applause before bringing the massive cast on stage, but the heckles from the lively Scouse audience seemed to throw him off more than they should&#39;&#39; </p>
<p>I personally thought he played very well! There was no mention of the raving drunk sat at the front trying to put everyone off? but i see you have been very picky to choose what you put in your review.</p>
<p>For someone who so highly regards himself and is in his third year at university, I dont think personally you have the right to post a review on the internet when you didnt even tell the cast and crew your where reviewing them. My best advice for you is do us all a favour, and take it off?</p>
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		<title>By: agirvan</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 13:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@colinwigan

The event was certainly incredible value for money, and you make the point well. Contrasting the length of performance and the size of cast with comparable events at other theatres around the city the guys from Impropriety certainly did present an engaging event.

I agree with you that the Kazimier is indeed a fantastic venue. I have seen a number of events there and am always impressed with what groups are able to do with the space. &quot;Bohemian&quot; is probably the perfect word to use to describe the space and the atmosphere was indeed very friendly, I too knew a number of people in the audience and on the stage. 

Maybe I&#039;m too traditional a theatre goer to expect a venue to seat all its audience members. It probably boils down to jealousy that I was not in the body of the kirk with my own table, but instead left perching against the back wall for the duration, the detachment from the action probably also detracted from the atmosphere you mention.

I too look forwards to seeing Impropriety again, particularly their long form improvathon, a style of event I have seen them pull of very well before.

Thanks a lot for taking the time to visit and read my blog. I&#039;m sorry we didn&#039;t see eye to eye on the event but I&#039;m glad you&#039;ve presented your personal opinion on the event in the comments and given an opposing view to my own. Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@colinwigan</p>
<p>The event was certainly incredible value for money, and you make the point well. Contrasting the length of performance and the size of cast with comparable events at other theatres around the city the guys from Impropriety certainly did present an engaging event.</p>
<p>I agree with you that the Kazimier is indeed a fantastic venue. I have seen a number of events there and am always impressed with what groups are able to do with the space. &#8220;Bohemian&#8221; is probably the perfect word to use to describe the space and the atmosphere was indeed very friendly, I too knew a number of people in the audience and on the stage. </p>
<p>Maybe I&#8217;m too traditional a theatre goer to expect a venue to seat all its audience members. It probably boils down to jealousy that I was not in the body of the kirk with my own table, but instead left perching against the back wall for the duration, the detachment from the action probably also detracted from the atmosphere you mention.</p>
<p>I too look forwards to seeing Impropriety again, particularly their long form improvathon, a style of event I have seen them pull of very well before.</p>
<p>Thanks a lot for taking the time to visit and read my blog. I&#8217;m sorry we didn&#8217;t see eye to eye on the event but I&#8217;m glad you&#8217;ve presented your personal opinion on the event in the comments and given an opposing view to my own. Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: agirvan</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 13:10:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Impropriety_Fan 

I thought I did a fair job of reviewing the event, voicing my balanced opinion, highlighting both positive and negative points about the evening. It is true that I felt there were some negative points about the show but if I had set out write an entirely damning piece then I probably wouldn&#039;t have bothered posting it. There would have been nothing productive or constructive about it.

It&#039;s true that the person in the front row giving Ian abuse all evening was probably drunk however I felt he was distracted more than a professional performer who offers classes on improvisation should be in the situation. This was all that was meant by the comment and again, I feel that other parts of the review highlight the very positive parts of the performance.

To expect me to take this review down, however, I think is naive. The world we now live in as one where each and every member of the audience has a voice and the ability to post their views to the masses. There are other ways I could have written this review, posting it all over the internet anonymously, and probably, with far less thought being put into what I was writing. It is very easy to write things anonymously on the internet, as you have found posting your comment in such a fashion. Every member of our audiences now have the ability to voice their opinions on our work, on Facebook, Twitter and on their blogs. That is all I have done with my personal opinions on the piece. I paid my entrance fee and therefore believe that I have the right to voice my opinions on the piece.

Thank you very much for taking the time to read my piece and especially for taking the time to comment. I, like you, can&#039;t wait to see what Impropriety as a group are able to produce. As I mention frequently in my piece above I have seen lots of fantastic work by those involved and look forwards to seeing the group develop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Impropriety_Fan </p>
<p>I thought I did a fair job of reviewing the event, voicing my balanced opinion, highlighting both positive and negative points about the evening. It is true that I felt there were some negative points about the show but if I had set out write an entirely damning piece then I probably wouldn&#8217;t have bothered posting it. There would have been nothing productive or constructive about it.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s true that the person in the front row giving Ian abuse all evening was probably drunk however I felt he was distracted more than a professional performer who offers classes on improvisation should be in the situation. This was all that was meant by the comment and again, I feel that other parts of the review highlight the very positive parts of the performance.</p>
<p>To expect me to take this review down, however, I think is naive. The world we now live in as one where each and every member of the audience has a voice and the ability to post their views to the masses. There are other ways I could have written this review, posting it all over the internet anonymously, and probably, with far less thought being put into what I was writing. It is very easy to write things anonymously on the internet, as you have found posting your comment in such a fashion. Every member of our audiences now have the ability to voice their opinions on our work, on Facebook, Twitter and on their blogs. That is all I have done with my personal opinions on the piece. I paid my entrance fee and therefore believe that I have the right to voice my opinions on the piece.</p>
<p>Thank you very much for taking the time to read my piece and especially for taking the time to comment. I, like you, can&#8217;t wait to see what Impropriety as a group are able to produce. As I mention frequently in my piece above I have seen lots of fantastic work by those involved and look forwards to seeing the group develop.</p>
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